Naturist Podcast Ep. 2 // Naturist Etiquette

When I finally got up the courage as an adult to take a skinny dip, sans bathing suit, it was one of the most freeing experiences I've ever had.
Mandy Zelinka
Skinny Dippers Club

Naturist Podcast Ep. 2 // Naturist Etiquette

SHOW NOTES:

REFERENCES:

Visiting A Nudist Beach For The First Time? Here's What You Need To Know

 

https://www.travelawaits.com/2558996/things-to-know-for-beginner-naturists/

https://www.traveldailynews.com/post/what-you-should-know-about-naturist-camping

 

Speaker 1:

Hello, and welcome back to the Jeremy and Mandy show. I’m your host, Mandy 

 

Speaker 2:

and I’m Jeremy. 

 

Speaker 1:

Tell our friends what we were just talking about on our hot dog break.

 

Speaker 2:

We were talking about how our anxiety levels have just gone down so much since our Trump supporting neighbors moved.

 

Speaker 1:

I didn’t realize that they were affecting me so much until they moved. And Oh man.

 

Speaker 2:

Well, actually it was also kind of tied to the recent events in Washington DC, where there was the coup attempt on the Capitol. Yeah,

 

Speaker 1:

Well, yeah, because I mean we had Trump flags right next door for a really long time. Yeah, but that makes sense why I would

 

[Inaudible] anyway.

 

Speaker 1:

So the last episode we left off at a thing that I don’t think I actually ever ended up finishing my thought on because we got on a tangent, which is not surprising. So the whole idea of maybe “I’m a naturist and I don’t know it” so I didn’t know it. I mean, looking back, it made sense because as a kid, I remember being hot in the summer and I would be mad because the boys in my neighborhood could take their shirts off, but I couldn’t. And my dad was relentlessly telling me to put clothes on because I was always cold. But now I’m like, well maybe I just felt more comfortable, half naked either way. When I finally got up the courage as an adult to take a skinny dip, sands, bathing suit, it was one of the most freeing experiences I’ve ever had. So when I tell people, you know, what I do for a living, because I’m unemployed. So this is what I do for a living about 90% of the time I hear that, you know, you or your partners like to run around the house naked or without pants on. And some even have special areas in the backyard to hang out naked and guess what? That means you just might be a nudist.

What’s the difference between Naturism, Nudism and Clothing Optional?

I wasn't into the whole "being a naked guy running around thing" at the time, but I was like, you just randomly went and found a bunch of like-minded people and you go have pool parties. What, what is it?
Mandy Zelinka
Skinny Dippers Club

Speaker 1:

Okay. So in today’s episode of the naturalist podcast, we are going to talk about etiquette. Okay,

 

Speaker 2:

Well that’s right. We’re picking up where we left off last time. Yeah.

 

Speaker 1:

Yes. Thanks for catching up. So Jeremy what’s the difference between naturism nudism and clothing optional?

 

Speaker 2:

You know, it’s interesting because my answer has actually changed. The more I’ve become a naturist – and actually it’s interesting – one of the things that we’ve recently been talking about is just how do you pronounce naturalism? Is it nature, ism? Is it natur-ism? 

 

Speaker 1:

So one of the things I like to talk about when people ask about the varying degrees of what it means to be someone who doesn’t like to put on clothes, you know, weather, naturist, nudist, clothing, optional, all the other various shades of undress. If you will say on a pH scale, I mean, you know, like 11 you have total and utter exhibitionist and one, it may be like the home nudist. Is that fair to say? Yeah. Then right in the middle is a pH of seven, which is water.

 

Speaker 2:

Yeah. That would be my neutral nude. Yeah. Something like that. I think it’s probably more like a four way. What are those diagrams? There’s a quad chart. So, so I’d have to figure out what the X and Ys are, but, but it’s probably different quadrants. Yeah. So you have like it’s kind of like there was between full-time and part-time or your degrees of the amount, amount of time that you spend in what activities you do.

 

Speaker 1:

Oh, man, you’re really trying to break this down. 

 

Speaker 2:

You see it oftentimes as a lineal scale and I see it as more of a spectrum. 

 

Speaker 1:

That’s so funny because you might be on it – now, but that totally makes sense! Cause I always think in mixing hair color and you think, and like spectrum stuff. Yeah. so we asked you the question. Yeah. We said it was a spectrum.

 

Speaker 2:

Message me if you want to have a more in-depth high level level discussion about it.

 

Speaker 1:

I wasn’t wrong though! 

 

Speaker 2:

No, that’s fine.

 

Speaker 1:

I love listening to Rachel Maddow though. She like breaks it down for you so you don’t feel dumb. And so that you understand

 

Speaker 2:

You’re going to be the one that keeps the podcast going. I’m going to be the one that bores everybody to death.

 

Speaker 1:

No, they’ll just end up watching it because you’re so hot. Let’s keep going. So the first time that we discussed this, the difference between naturism nudism and clothing optional was actually when we were in Joshua tree a year and a half ago Jeremy just laughed because it’s also the, the beginning of scene of  the documentary I’m working on. But I had made an episode of, of the Mandy show. We have a YouTube show which you can find it at SDC.youtube.com. And I had done an episode about the difference between naturists, nudists, and swingers and what ended up happening was you won’t find it at our YouTube channel right now. So don’t go bothering to look for that, but you can go subscribe. So we ended up getting press from a local radio station from that episode. So that was cool. I mean, we got to go on a radio show and it was a radio show that Jeremy loves up here. I’m just going to let Jeremy talk really quick.

 

Speaker 2:

I kind of forgot that I have a lot of employees and most of them are out and about listening, listening to the show and they heard me, it was like, I was speaking into the ear of almost every single one of my 200 plus employees.

 

Speaker 1:

Well, and now that we’re sitting here talking about it, I remember when they were asking me questions. And at some point I was like, why yes. I’ve even left the house before so that Jeremy could have nude friends come over. And I didn’t think about it at the time because I was like, whatever. Okay. You have like 200 people that, that their boss, dude. “Did you hear our boss has  naked people over to his house for dinner while his wife leaves?” Yeah, I mean, I understand, but that’s part of what we’re doing here is trying to bring awareness to the, this thing that we’re doing and not make it so scary or weird or ancient. So what are some of your best experiences with going to nudist places?

 

Speaker 2:

Oh man. You know, some of, I first started hanging out with nudists or naturists and nudists here in Seattle a couple of years ago and some of the best times were really going as a small group to have small hangouts. Now it’s a little harder to do that these days in the pandemic. So I almost feel guilty talking about it, but I do miss it. I miss

 

Speaker 1:

That was a non landed clubs sort of situation too, right?

 

Speaker 2:

Yeah. Yeah. It was a part of a group of guys in a, in the Puget sound area and we’d get together to do like a nude beach holiday.

 

Speaker 1:

I wasn’t into the whole being a naked guy running around thing at the time, but I was like, you just randomly went and found a bunch of like-minded people and you go have pool parties. What, what is it?

 

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it’s pretty awesome. Those were my best times, really just hanging out with those guys and just

 

Speaker 1:

Tuscany Manor always, always awesome. It’s a boutique nude hotel down in Palm Springs. Why did you just make that noise?

 

Speaker 2:

I instantly jumped back to my first days of being a naturist as some of my best days. And then I wasn’t thinking fast-forwarding from that. So I have other fond memories. That’s all. That’s why I was like, 

 

Speaker 1:

Oh, you just had a moment. 

 

Speaker 2:

I had a moment.

 

Speaker 1:

So I love, I love Tuscany manner because they’ve always treated us nicely. They have a good establishment. They have a really great clientele. Like we’ve always thought the people that hung out in the pool are chill. I mean, they’re clean. I mean, they’re mostly our age though. The people that go there. So, I mean, there’s that, but it’s nice. It’s just, you know, you want to go on a vacation and hang out nude by the pool and get some vitamin D and just have it be chill AF. Go to Tuscany manner and get some weed delivered or go pick it up or whatever they have kitchenettes in their rooms and it’s the best vacation. Cause it’s just chill actually. They have full kitchens.

 

Speaker 2:

Yeah. So there, it used to be an apartment complex that they’ve transformed into a, into a boutique hotel. So

 

Speaker 1:

The last time we went down there, we picked grapefruit from the trees around the pool and made it Margaritas.

 

Speaker 2:

Yeah. That was pretty amazing. And then, and then we made lemonade with the lemons that we were able to pick too. Hmm Hmm.

 

Speaker 1:

That was nice. So on the break, not only do we have hot dogs, but I had literally, I went, I did, I did this thing called a vacation packing. I pretend I’m going on vacation and I go pack it just, just lifts my spirits.

CLOTHING OPTIONAL: Tuscany Manor, Palm Springs CA // Willamettans Eugene, OR

Speaker 2:

It’s a fun little fashion show.

 

Speaker 1:

But the other place that both of us I think would absolutely say was our hands down favorite experience was going to the Willamettans 

 

Speaker 2:

Oh, absolutely what that was. And that was really a delight. 

 

Speaker 1:

Especially since like I have never been a camper, but he would camping. And then like, you know, the Willamettans is in Eugene, Oregon, which is a college town. So

 

Speaker 2:

I think of it more. Well it is of college town. I think of it as an artist town.

 

Speaker 1:

Well that too, it’s very diverse. Something that my friend Mfon always does when she’s traveling, is she always tries to go to college towns because the people are more diverse. They’re nicer, they’re more, open-minded, they’re typically more, you know, creative, artistic. So we found that the fact that there was a naturist park so close or not in, it’s not in Eugene, but it’s like adjacent to Eugene is the next town over really made, you know, the trickle down from that meant that when we went, it was a super diverse atmosphere of all demographics and ages. And I always think that part of that success is due to being clothing optional. And I think that is because you will get 100%, you’ll get more, not only women to feel comfortable at your establishment, but you’ll get everyone to feel more comfortable because I think it has more to do with telling people what to do with their body, to be honest. But

 

Speaker 2:

Yeah, no, I like that. I, I, I understand having strict rules when it comes to like getting in the, into pools you know, having rules about, cause that’s an, that’s an activity that you’re participating in at a nudist place. So I could see where they could designate some areas for clothing excluded. But in order to like on the peripheral areas of all of that, if it’s clothing optional, I think that really helps create the good blend between the people who really want to be a hardcore nudist or, you know, in order to be a naturist, you have to be nude

 

Speaker 1:

Well. And honestly, I mean, it’s, it’s a good marketing scheme. When I went the first time, I was like, okay, fine, dude, I’ll go with you to this new place. I’ll just wear a bikini the whole time. And I was like being all defiant and we go and finally three days and I was like, God it. I want to go to the pool. So I was like, you better get over yourself because being naked at that pool sounds delicious. And once I did, Oh, so good.

 

Speaker 1:

But like, if you would’ve said out of the gate, Hey, let’s go to this nude place where half the time you show up and you’d walking into somebody buck naked from like the city street. 

 

Okay. So the first thing I noticed about going to nudist parks or nude resorts is that people park and then they immediately take all their clothes off. It’s like reverse going to the mountains skiing. So when you go to the mountain skiing, everybody gets out of the car, goes to the trunk and puts all that gear on. Well, when you go to a naked place, everybody gets out of the car, goes, the trunk takes all their clothes off and runs to the pool. And then one of our friends, it’s a mile long drive up to get to us and he would get 

off work and bomb over here and take his pants off on the way up the fricking mile away Hill.

"And then one of our friends, it's a mile long drive up to get to us and he would get off work and bomb over here and take his pants off on the way up the fricking mile long hill so that he'd be naked by the time he got here. (We live at a nude park.) And I was like, wow. And you know what? That's the stuff that you don't experience if you don't just immerse yourself in living in a place like this, which is why I wanted to do it. Cause I was like, okay, what is this naked thing? Like, it sounds great. I don't like people having laws on their body. But I was like, let's just dive in and figure out what this is all about. And boy, what a treat it's been, it's been something else." 👀
Mandy Zelinka
Skinny Dippers Club

Naturist Etiquette​

Yeah. So Jeremy, you want to get us started on why we even have this podcast?

 

Speaker 2:

Well, as we were just really discussing the direction that, that our lives are going in and the people that we’re identifying with we really started thinking about who we are and what we enjoy doing and how we’ve enjoyed getting on, on this path. So we decided what the heck we should be creating a field guide

 

Speaker 1:

Well, and that really came out of your, when you cleaned out the storage unit you found your Boy Scout Field Guide from from 1955, 

 

Speaker 2:

Hey, I’m not that old, but the book is,

Was really old. This was, this was an old scout book when I was in Scouts, but there’s some really cool things in here that that I actually, that I want to apply to the direction of

 

Speaker 1:

Naturism. So okay. For, for a chick that didn’t grow up with boy scout experience, tell me what this, what a field guide is and why naturism could benefit from one.

 

Speaker 2:

It’s almost like a tour book when you go to, when you go traveling and a field guide helps you dive into a particular topic. This one that I, that I loved when I was in boy Scouts was all about how to do things out in the wilderness and take care of yourself and, and take care of the environment at the same time. You can also get field guides for like cities, for traveling and it’s just a guide book. And as we’ve traveled down our path for naturism and found really cool people, we wanted to make it easy for other people to follow along and connect with with folks that enjoy the same things that we enjoy

 

Speaker 1:

Back to you. Mandy, did we already tell them we’re talking about etiquette today? I don’t know that we did. We’re going to talk about etiquette today and everything you need to know. So one of the weirdest things that I found was that you like always have to have a towel. That was the first thing that I was the first thing I first really I found out about which now it makes sense. Yes. If you’re running around naked, you have to bring a towel with you so you can sit on it.

 

Speaker 2:

Well, yeah. And, and it’s interesting because some of the first things that people think about is, Oh, you don’t want to get a skid Mark on the chair. Well, actually the more I’ve become a nudist or the more I’ve become a naturist, I’ve realized that I’m not worried so much about getting a skid mark as I am getting a sliver or something. 

 

Speaker 1:

What about boners? That’s the number one question that dudes ask,

 

Speaker 2:

Well, you just switched etiquette really quick.

 

Speaker 1:

Well, everybody has that question. I might as well just address it right off the bat. 

 

Speaker 2:

You know, in most most places in, in the United States we have laws about men not being allowed to have erections in public. So from that perspective, I know that. Yeah. So that’s, that’s what constitutes the difference between being nude and with the intent to arouse yourself or others. So a lot of jurisdictions have that way now

 

Speaker 1:

You’re scaring everybody off.

 

Speaker 2:

Well, no, what I’m saying is, is from that perspective, you, you should carry a towel or something. So if, if that happens, you have something to cover yourself up with. So something I wouldn’t think about. Yeah. I know in some societies it is not unusual for, But it’s, it’s accepted to have an erection in public, but in most places in the United States, it is not. And so from that perspective, you should have something to cover yourself up with

 

Speaker 1:

The more, you know, so I’m looking at an article from journo HQ, visiting a nudist speech for the first time. Here’s what you need to know.

 

Speaker 2:

There might be naked people

 

Speaker 1:

What to expect as a first timer. Not everyone will be completely nude unless you go somewhere that like makes you be completely nude. Yeah. No, but I mean, so on that note, the first time we went, I think every time we’d been to Collins beach on Sauvie’s Island down in the Portland Metro area, it’s never been a hundred percent nude at all. No, actually I don’t think any nude beach I’ve been to has been a hundred percent nude.

 

Speaker 2:

No, they actually state that it’s a clothing optional. They, actually both of the places we went to are state owned. So I was just actually, during our, our hot dog break, I was also checking out laws about being nude. And I found that there is no us federal law, there is no us federal law that either allows her perhibit’s nudity. The courts have not ruled whether the right to engage in naturism is guaranteed by the constitution under its freedom of expression provision. Thus, the legality of various forms of undress is currently left up to each individual state and localities to decide on their own. So in with basically what that means is, you could consider being naked on a federal property like BLM land or a national state national park or something.

 

Speaker 1:

So that’s why I always seeing so many people going hiking on BLM lands. Right? Jeremy? Yes. Okay. That makes sense. I never understood why that was,

 

Speaker 2:

Unless there’s some more restrictive law in that particular area than you can be, you can be naked. And a lot of times those areas are in unincorporated portions of counties. So they usually have pretty, they have laws that are generally a little bit

 

Speaker 1:

Okay. Next thing they say is, don’t assume this is a clothing optional beach, which really kind of goes with, in line with exactly what you were just talking about. Yeah. And we’ve also found that in the hunt for some hot Springs and places to be naked on a beach or a river that you sometimes are told that you have to illegally go through property to get to it. So when it comes to our skinny diverse travel bag, when you leave those off of there, because I don’t ever want anyone to get busted for something, because I said something because, okay, you gotta do your research.

 

Speaker 2:

You really do have to do your research. So,

 

Speaker 1:

So should you take photos while you’re on the beach?

 

Speaker 2:

You know, people expect an easy yes or no. And this is one of those, it depends on the circumstance.



Speaker 1:

 

I was always the photo journalism person in on the high school newspaper. And then, you know, it was just high school, but I always look at it as a, like I’m documenting my life sort of lens, but I also started taking pictures before everyone had an iPhone. And before, you know, before everything. So like, I still look at taking photos as documenting my life, which is something I have done since I got my dad’s camera from Vietnam. So you shouldn’t be taking pictures of other people if they’re recognized butt naked. 

 

Speaker 2:

You would think, but sometimes when, I mean, I’ve even seen, seen people that I’ve been borderline uncomfortable with because they just get so wrapped up in what they’re doing. Just being able to be out and be free and be comfortable that sometimes they’ll forget the etiquette of making sure that people are not in the background. So I don’t think people have the intent to go out and bust on other people for being nude or want to tag them on social media. But a lot of times people get wrapped up in the fun activities and they just forget. So I think it’s just a gentle reminder. If you just be mindful of the rules of wherever it is that you are, because some places you go to, they say, no cameras, no, electronic devices. Other places want you to put a sticker over the,

 

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I actually liked the sticker thing. It’s like, you know, if you feel uncomfortable, like I’m gonna have my phone on me. It’s ridiculous to think that anyone wouldn’t have their phone on them. And at this point in time, I know that this is supposed to be a relaxing thing that you do, but some people that’s how they work. And that’s a reality. You can’t deny that anymore. And one of the other super interesting things we realized when we went to the Willamettans – because it had such a diverse smattering of people, there were people there that had kids and they’re like, “I have to have my phone on me in case, you know, my babysitter calls me.” So there’s, Hey, I always say, if you leave wide swaths of demographics of the conversation, then you’re going to leave their needs out too. So, you know, if you feel uncomfortable with the phone, I’m fine with putting a sticker over it.

 

Speaker 2:

And I think most places that we’ve been to are okay with that. Yeah. And I don’t have a problem putting a sticker over my phone because it’s usually, they’re usually most concerned about that. Right. Or right around the pool area.

 

Speaker 1:

Only the super old school nudist parks that we’ve been to, which is the majority of nudist parks in the United States – that are like no phones at all. And I’m like, Oh my God, because you’re ancient. Come on. So another important thing to remember when you’re in these new experiences is that don’t be afraid to speak up if you’re feeling uncomfortable, you know, whether you’re on the beach or at a resort, you know, go find if you’re in a resort, go find someone in charge. If you’re on the beach, I don’t know, punch him in the balls face.

 

Speaker 2:

The thing about social naturalism and being able to be out in, or gather even during COVID times where you can have small gatherings out on beaches, I think it’s important to protect each other. And the only way to do that is to speak up when something is going on. Yeah.

 

Speaker 1:

So that’s not a place to be silent. No,

 

Speaker 2:

No holding, holding each other accountable and, and making sure that we’re looking out for each other is really the most important thing in these public areas.

 

Speaker 1:

Do these things with people that you trust. Yeah. Yeah. Bring it buddy.

 

Speaker 2:

Exactly. Yeah. Bring a buddy to nudism,

 

Speaker 1:

Bring a towel to sit your ass on. Okay. Yeah. And don’t stare that’s another one. Yeah. Okay. I have to admit that is why I’m human. I don’t mean to stare and I love wearing reflective sunglasses because I’m like, nobody will catch me accidentally staring. I mean, let’s be honest.

 

Speaker 2:

It’s natural. It’s natural to look. It’s just impolite to stare.

 

Speaker 1:

It’s easier to stare when you’re high and half the time I am at these places I’m high. So that’s why West Coast is the best coast. Hey, come on. Let’s be honest. Cannabis vacations are on the rise. How many States have legalized marijuana now? I mean, if you’re going to be naked somewhere, don’t you want to do it high where it’s legal.

Nudity and Sex Experiences You May Wish To Avoid

We have a code of ethics in the skinny diverse club and it's each person has the responsibility to make sure every person involved is having fun and feels safe. There's no touching of people or personal property without expressive verbal permission, discuss and make sure everyone is in agreement regarding their level of comfort with the nudism and treat everyone you meet as an equal. I think that is my stance on nudity and sex.
Mandy Zelinka
Skinny Dippers Club

The next one is nudity and sex. Just off the top of your head Ferguson, what is your nudity and sex take

 

Speaker 2:

My nudity and sex tape.

 

Speaker 1:

Yeah. What’s your take on that subject? It seems like everybody on the internet has an opinion.

 

Speaker 2:

Well, I, I don’t, it’s been interesting the last two years being in this and this way of life, it’s it’s actually, there’s far less conversation about sex than I ever expected going into into the clothing optional way. It’s it’s just been

 

Speaker 1:

Well, though, I feel like the only sex talk we’ve had has been joking with neighbors, which you would joke with neighbors that are your friends, whether you’re close or not. Yeah. 

 

Speaker 2:

Yeah. So it’s, I haven’t seen an increase in like sexual innuendos in fact, or anything. It seems like

 

Speaker 1:

That’s not really the question I’m asking about the perception from the public.

 

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah. Okay.

 

Speaker 1:

You’ve had two people now say that “you are engaged in deviant behavior” because of being a naturist

 

Speaker 2:

Yeah. Yeah. It’s interesting because to people who are don’t enjoy, or they haven’t experienced naturalism being out and about naked in nature I think a lot of times they just, they think the only reason, how am I trying to say this? There’s a spectrum of people who need to wear clothes. And on that spectrum are some individuals who think that being nude is just the worst, worst thing. And that the only reason why you should be nude is to have sex. And maybe a behavior

 

Speaker 1:

This might be getting a little off subject, how you were talking about conditioning earlier. Yeah. How much of that too, is people just being conditioned to put clothes on? And the only time they take them off is to have sex. So they think that the only time people that get, they think that the only time people get naked is to have sex. So that could be a religious thing. And that could just be a condition behavior thing.

 

Speaker 2:

Yeah. It’s not necessarily connected to religion. It’s, it’s just connected to the way that you’re conditioned. I mean, yeah. I see that a lot.

 

Speaker 1:

Well, and I think a lot of the deviant behavior thing comes from the actual nudist colonies that used to be around – some still are. Yeah. I mean, there, there’s a reputation there for a reason.

 

Speaker 1:

Something interesting? Now I found out via Twitter from our friend over at natuist vintage. If you’re on Twitter, go and follow him because he is awesome. So according to him, sex education used to be practiced by American nudists and at sunshine park, they even had a school program.

 

Speaker 2:

I did not know that.

 

Speaker 1:

That’s such an interesting concept though. I mean, what if naturist led the way in sex education, they could rebrand the whole engaging in a deviant behavior thing.

 

Speaker 2:

Yeah. Hmm. That’s an interesting concept. Yeah. I don’t want to take it on no mean either. And I I’ve just had a rough outline in my head.

 

Speaker 1:

The few things I have noticed if I had to like throw out some market research from reading everybody’s opinions on Twitter, because I don’t know that I necessarily have an opinion. I just more like to listen to everybody else’s opinion on nudity and sex. I mean, my opinion on it is that you’re usually naked when you have sex. That’s really, as far as it goes for me

 

Speaker 2:

Clothing optional sex too

 

Speaker 1:

I guess there is. But you know, you have, you have sex workers on Twitter that are really concerned about the fact that, you know, they are having a hard time making a living via social media and their, the online laws might change, which is something that we’re actually working on. We’re working on putting together a little legislative committee because I don’t, I’m not sure that anyone is actually fighting for online legislation that has to do with nudity on the internet because that really impacts our community. So, you know, that also impacts sex workers. We found that out when we talked about it in our community this week, I had one of our members school us on it. And it was awesome because now I know even more about it. So, you know, nudity and sex. It’s part of a spectrum, you know, back to the pH scale and same thing, you know, anywhere from home nudist to exhibitionist, that’s, everybody lies somewhere in there and you know what, depending on what day they might be a one or an 11, who

 

Knows. Yeah.

 

I just think it’s to always respect the people that you’re with and you know what, let’s talk about our code of conduct really quick, because I think that actually does a really good job of,

 

Speaker 2:

And before and before you switched gears, I was just gonna say that I don’t think I, I hear of, I hear the same amount of sex scandals as a naturist, as I did in the textile world.

 

Speaker 1:

No, you’re right. You’re right.

 

Speaker 2:

Yeah. The stories haven’t changed. It’s just different players. That’s all.

 

Speaker 1:

Okay. So we have a code of ethics in the skinny diverse club and it’s each person has the responsibility to make sure every person involved is having fun and feels safe. There’s no touching of people or personal property without expressive verbal permission, discuss and make sure everyone is in agreement regarding their level of comfort with the nudism and treat everyone you meet as an equal. I think that is my stance on nudity and sex.

 

Speaker 2:

I think that’s why we came up with them.

 

Speaker 1:

And that’s all I had to say about that. So there’s two really important things that get you off to the right start. And the first one is you have to ask yourself, is this legal? We talked about this a little bit earlier. So, you know, depending on what state you’re in, is it state city County or just what state you’re in and what the laws are

 

Speaker 2:

State County city. So because the federal government doesn’t have any Solid guidelines, then you follow the local.

 

Speaker 1:

And that’s also why, like I said earlier, you also have to check how to get to these places because you might actually be illegally going through somebody’s yard to get there.

 

Speaker 2:

Yeah. There are some hidden spots that people like to geotag, but the only way to get there is to go across – some of the hot Springs you’d have to go across a private farm in order to get there. And you kind of have to watch it by tagging some of those places. Because if you don’t know the rules or the laws before you get in there, then you may be disappointed or it may be breaking a law.

 

Speaker 1:

So the beaches are fun. So are nude hikes and other outdoor events, but be sure to check that the place you’re going to allows for being nude every once in a while, we find out that while a particular spot may be popular, it may be illegally inaccessible or being without clothes violates some obscure law that only the local Puritan knows about. So yeah, check the laws first. It’s something that we’ve really been benefiting from. And the travel side of our community is being able to share stuff like that with each other, because I would never want anybody in my community, which are my friends to get busted for anything. So that’s a great thing. One of the benefits to being in our club is it’s like a Netflix membership, $12.97 a month. But no, I mean, nobody wants to get busted while trying to like, have a good time. You’d want to like, don’t break the law while breaking the law.

 

Speaker 2:

Yeah. And I like it when community members add like, you know, take the trail to the left, cause it takes you out to the volleyball court or, you know, whatever. It’s like those little extra things that, you know, that people in our community are also gonna like, cause they can put those on there.

 

Speaker 1:

 And dude, don’t forget to buy the parking pass before you go there. Oh my God, that’s always a clutch one.

 

Speaker 2:

Yeah. It could be the difference between a $10 a day fee and a $350 citation. Right.

 

Speaker 1:

There’s a third one. The third one is when you’re hot Springs hunting and you run out of GPS and you needed a paper map, those are really clutch tips to get. So what do you know about the expectations of the place you’re going and do they post their etiquette or code of conduct? That’s another thing that you can look for when you are getting ready to head out of somewhere. So many Hot Springs will have a website trail marker or something with the expectations for capacity and whether or not you may be nude. And beyond that I found like try to go early.

 

Speaker 2:

Yeah. Typically if you will, if you get to places early, then, then there’s not as many, many folks out there,

 

Speaker 1:

Honestly, if you are someone who likes to take photos, like we do, we love to, we’re total photo whores – we travel on Thanksgiving. But yeah, go at unexpected times. We like to get up and get wherever we’re going really early. We can take photos without anyone around because I don’t want to alienate anyone, but I want to get my photo. So nude beaches usually follow public laws. And you may want to review that online before you go – resorts and parks each have their own rules and landed clubs, which is Skinny Dippers Club, a non landed club – come in a variety of flavors from full service to occasionally staffed or volunteer run, which is an important distinction by the way. And you know, do your homework on the clubs before you go. But even that’s hard because we’ve done our homework and it was still a shit show.

 

Speaker 2:

Yeah. A lot of times it’s actually more helpful if you can dive into a community like one of our regional forums, for example, and start sharing some of those details. So that way people can, can better understand.

 

Speaker 1:

Well, and a lot of the clubs are just bad with communication. Yeah. Like I keep going back to how great the Willamettans are because they have really good communication to the point that we were going to go visit them and we found out their pool was busted and that, you know, it’s, we’re in the Pacific Northwest. So if your pool is busted, when it’s a cold month, it is colder. I don’t, I don’t want to go there. And if I showed up in that pool didn’t work. Woo boy. So, you know, I think that’s one of the biggest

 

Speaker 2:

We got to say their pool is back up and running now everything’s fine. It was just a temporary,

 

Speaker 1:

They’ve always been great about everything that they do. So, you know, the problem with some of these, I hate to say it, but really, you know, 

 

Most of my bad experiences have been at an AAAR place. And I don’t know if it was because the expectation level was different or I’m also a business person. So if you’re really like not running your small business efficiently and efficient manner, it just, I don’t really want to diss on anybody, but you need to know what you’re getting into. And it’s helpful when you have friends that have been there before. Let me just say that

 

Speaker 2:

Yeah. Yeah. Cause when we say that the places that you check out are on a spectrum, it can be, it can be just like any other business. So just do the research to the best of your ability. And actually if, if you’re watching this and you experienced something peculiar or something positive or whatever, you can share it with us. Yeah. Let us know. Cause we just want to keep everybody safe. 

 

Speaker 1:

Which is fine. I’m letting you know the truth about searching out nudist parks in the States.




Speaker 2:

Lots of room for improvement. Yeah. And the best I can say is just join our community and we’ll, we’ll steer you the right way. 

 

Speaker 1:

So there’s this great article from travel awaits and it’s written by Chris Moore and it came out just recently, just back in November. And so he’s talking about being a first-time visitor to a nudist resort. And he says, as a first time, visitor, someone from the club will typically escort you and show you around the facilities. Believe it or not, this can be the most awkward part as you will be clothed and everyone else, except your host will be naked. We’ve done that before. Funny. Yeah. You will feel like the odd one out and certainly overdressed it’s only natural. 

 

Speaker 1:

Being without clothes in such an environment feels so comfortable and normal. There are as in life, some basic do’s and don’ts when in a natural surrounding – first always sit on a towel. We talked about that earlier. Well, most clubs will be able to provide you with a towel. That’s not true. I’ve never been to a club where they provided me with a towel. Nope. Okay. Second, do not stare. It’s just plain rude. Anyhow, we talked about that. Third don’t behave in an overly sexual manner. This is a good point. You will quickly be ejected from the club. Sadly, the general public often equates nudity with sex. As we talked before and therefore naturalism with sexual orgies, this is absolutely not the case. And there is no tolerance for those who behave inappropriately. Finally taking unsolicited photographs of other naturists. We talked about that as well – is an absolute no, no. In most clubs any photography must be approved by management.

 

Speaker 2:

Men are concerned that they may get aroused. No, typically you won’t. There’s nothing sexual about a lot of naked bodies, unless your mind makes it to that point. So you, if you do find yourself becoming aroused, take a dip in the water or lie in your front until It subsides or cover yourself. Yeah. So a lot of times women ask if they can leave their bikini bottoms on during that time of the month and you know, it’s up to you

 

Speaker 1:

Finally, “I could never do this in case I meet someone I know” is used often used as a defense against going, because – they’re there for the same reason as you, this did happen to me many years ago when I met my secretary. Again, this is not Mandy talking. This is Chris Moore. Finally. I could never do this in case I meet someone. I know, guess what? They’re there for the same reason. This did happen to me a few years ago. Now, remember this isn’t Mandy talking. This is still Chris Moore’s article. When I met my secretary at a local naturist club,  what started as a friendly acquaintance encountered had turned into an enduring friendship. Naturism will do that to you.

 

Speaker 1:

So he also talks about experiences that you may wish to avoid Jeremy off the top of your head. I’m going to ask you experiences you may wish to avoid – got anything off the top of your head?

 

Speaker 2:

No.

 

Speaker 1:

So this is where he starts talking about adult lifestyle clubs and how it is important to differentiate between the two. So something that was interesting. One of the first times we went to a new place and Jeremy and I walked in and we were asked if we were part of the lifestyle. And then we ended up getting our hotel room and I was like, what is the lifestyle, Jeremy? What is the lifestyle?

 

Speaker 2:

The lifestyle refers to people who yeah, swingers,

 

Speaker 1:

Which I don’t have anything against, but we are not part of the “lifestyle”. So you have to research places for, you know, all of the things we discussed before and to make sure that, you know, what kind of establishment you are going to.

Another significant benefit of naturalism that you won't find described in holiday brochures is the sense of mental and emotional wellbeing that it brings.

Great Ways to try out Naturism

Another significant benefit of naturalism that you won’t find described in holiday brochures is the sense of mental and emotional wellbeing that it brings. I was just talking in the community yesterday about how naturism to me is all those summers I missed as a kid where everyone was like out inner tubing down the river with beers in their hand. And I was either working in high school or working. And I totally missed out on those summers as a kid. But when you started bringing me to nude places, I feel like I, llike the euphoric kid feeling, I guess.

 

Speaker 2:

Well, you certainly look like summer camp Mandy when we go

 

Speaker 1:

Summer camp Barbie. So what are some great ways to try out naturism JerBare?

 

Speaker 2:

Hikes with friends, actually, that’s, that’s a great way to, to enjoy naturism. 

 

Speaker 1:

Tell them about your kilt. You have that great hiking,

 

Speaker 2:

Right where I was going, Oh, so I’m doing some hiking around here. We actually live up against a state park and you can, you can be on the state park land nude, but because there’s so many hikers, it’s helpful to have something that you can wrap up with really quick. So I have a hiking kilt that has a couple of snaps, so we’ll go out hiking and I can pop off the kilt and be au natural. Or if we see a group of girl Scouts coming down the mountain, I can grab my kilt and cover up, cover up real quick.

 

Speaker 1:

Another thing that goes right on from hiking is camping. And I, I never liked camping, but then Jeremy was like, well, I mean, the dude can cook and he’s an Eagle scout come on. But yeah, I was like camping. And then he’s like, let’s stay at a  nude camp. And then I was like, this is amazing because we,

 

Speaker 2:

Your mom, she was more surprised at the fact that you would go camping than she was knowing that you were a naturist.

 

Speaker 1:

Yeah. But like, dude, nobody tells you the nude camping comes with the Olympic size pool, saunas, hot tubs, friends, Nudestock. What you’re telling me, I can go to an event where I sit out and listen to music for three days, high as out of my mind, on a lawn, on a lawn with like 300 other people. Yeah. That was Epic. Are you kidding me? I was like, it was amazing.

 

Speaker 2:

There’s some pretty amazing things to be done.

 

Speaker 1:

Well, and then there’s the Zipolite festival that happens in Mexico that I’ve heard nothing but great things about, but because of COVID, we aren’t getting down there. I mean, nude vacations are where it’s at and they’re actually quite inexpensive.

 

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah. You know, there’s a lot of times when particularly non landed clubs will go do events and they’ll take over a park or a state property or something. And, and the celebrations that they do are pretty, pretty amazing volleyball tournaments, you know,

 

But you know, there’s a lot of naturists that also like to go on a long hiking type, more remote camping. And we don’t have a lot of folks like that in the community right now, But it would be great to be able to, to add to our travel map, like some of those remote places that, that you don’t want to broadcast out on in the big worldwide web, but within the community to share with your friends. That’d be cool. Yeah. I mean, these are all

 

Speaker 1:

Really great ways to dip your toes, nude beaches are great. Again, like do your research and just go out and do it. Hot Springs are a really great way to dip your toes in the clothing optional water. But again, do your research. Cause you, you might end up needing a paper map if you’re headed for a hot spring. And we thought that we were okay going – I think it was the end of may. The very end of May. We were like, Oh, we’re finally going to have go to this Hot Spring. Cause we’re in the Pacific Northwest, you know, we’re closer to Canada than anything. So the road was closed to get to the hot spring because of snow. I was like, great, seriously. So yeah. I mean,

 

Speaker 2:

Well, the reason why she’s so disappointed is because it was like a four hour drive

 

Speaker 1:

And we used a paper map too, but yeah, which is fun, but it’s a lot more fun if you know what to expect. Okay. I think we’ve covered like everything that we’ve wanted to cover about etiquette and you know, besides etiquette really good places that people can start out looking for great places to try out being a naturist.

 

Speaker 2:

Yeah. There’s tons of ways you can enjoy being a naturist from being an naturist at home, to being a naturist on a public land or with a group or yeah. All kinds of different ways.

 

Speaker 1:

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