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Naturist Podcast Ep. 4 // Skinny Dips ‘n Roadtrips: Why nude vacations are so rad!

"I think the biggest take-away from this episode is that people feel more inclined to be curious and try something new if they feel safe in their environment."
Mandy Zelinka
Skinny Dippers Club

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The idea of a Naturist Field Guide came to us when Jeremy found his old Boy Scout book. What we realized is that the naturist community as a whole could probably benefit from a guide book – especially for people thinking about getting into naturism. Then that turned into a podcast and then launching a non-profit. The non-profit – Global Naturist Alliance – has a social justice arm to it that we just haven’t seen on a large scale globally with naturist organizations and we really think the naturist movement simply cannot progress without it.

We will be looking for board members from all over the world representing different countries. The goal is to not only collect data from our communities and create a Global Field Guide to Naturism but to also set the mission, vision, and values of the Naturist movement worldwide.

Without a vision, a movement has no gas.

This is our podcast I hope you enjoy it!
Mandy + Jeremy

Skinny Dippers Club
www.SkinnyDippers.Club 

 

 

Naturist Podcast Ep. 4 // Nude Vacations: Our SoCal Road Trip​

Show Notes

Tuscany Manor: a Clothing Optional 21 and over Boutique Nude Hotel in Palm Springs

People aren't able to take that many vacations right now. And so it's really important that the ones that they do take are reliable and dependable. I feel like that's a place that you can depend on it being inclusive, giving you a feeling of belonging, being open, openly communicating about what's happening, adhering to COVID rules ... which is super important.
Mandy Zelinka
Skinny Dippers Club

Mandy

Hi guys. And welcome to another week of what is going on in the world here. How was your week JerBear? 

Jeremy

It was long. It was really long. I’m glad it’s the weekend. It’s a three-day weekend to celebrating the life and accomplishments of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Mandy

And our podcasts from Friday is doing well, which was on social justice and community. So I feel like we’ve had some wins last week, indeed. And you just had a viral tweet. Oh my God. I introduced him to this account last week called parlor takes. And it’s been hilarious because it’s some, you know, 

Jeremy

Infiltrator. 

Mandy

Yeah. And so they tweet all of this nonsense that these parlor people were, were messaging. And so I was like, Jeremy, you have to follow this, this account,

Jeremy

And I had, I had just reopened my, my Twitter account. I had a Twitter account before, but I started a new one and I hadn’t done a single tweet 

So I comment on one of their tweets 

Mandy

…some innocuous comment at midnight because he was tired and we’d been drinking and it took off. We woke up, woke up to how many comments on that?

Jeremy

Over a hundred likes and a dozen shares and dozens of comments. 

Mandy

That’s better than our Podcast did, you’re such a punk. Oh, well maybe you should be taking over our

Jeremy

I don’t think so. 

Mandy

So on a lighter note, on a lighter podcasting note this week, we’re going to chat nude vacations. Um, partly because this last week has been so terrible. Like whether it’s the pandemic or the coup or Jeremy been busy –  Wednesday, his work phone went off at midnight and I was like, dude, your work phone’s going off. And this is partly why we are so aware of climate change. Three transformers blew. 

Jeremy

Well, we had the region had 300,000 people without power and there was a wind storm with gusts up to 70 miles an hour. So I had to go to work in the middle of it. 

Mandy

Well, cause you’re on a 40 acre campus that because of that, you guys lost power and then your generator didn’t work. 

Jeremy

Yeah. For some reason the generator didn’t kick on. So yeah, we had all kinds of problems and I manage a large area in, in unincorporated, uh, in the unincorporated County. So we had a lot of things going on. Yeah. 

Mandy

I didn’t see him a lot last week. Which is why I’m always just so happy when you sit down and do this podcast with me. Cause I know how busy you are this time of year. Okay. Anyhow, because this week has been so crazy and honestly they’re supposed to be stuff going down today. The pillow guy wanted a, what did he want? That my pillow guy had met with president Trump yesterday and on his little clipboard, it said 

Jeremy

Martial law and something else 

Mandy

We’re supposed to be hunkering down in the States anyhow, but there is a raging pandemic and it is really effecting the LA County area. And that makes me sad because one, I can’t see my friends down there and two that’s our favorite place to go on vacation on the left coast of the USA. So I took a few edibles this morning and here we are. Jeremy, are you ready to go on an edible infused trip with me to nude vacation spots in Southern California for the next hour? 

Jeremy

I wish I could do the edibles, but I’m ready for this. 

Mandy

You are kind of a big boy with a big boy job. So I’ve been missing travel so much so that I opened back up my personal Instagram account and there are multiple reasons that I shut it down last year, but we’ll get to that later. But I really like to scroll my role and look at photos. You know, my, all the photos on my phone – and I grew up in a dark room. So being able to have this camera phone at my fingertips is just a dream. And ask my friend, Heidi from high school, I was a selfie whore way before Instagram. 

Jeremy

Were you like one of those girls that had the little disposable cameras running around or did you, were you using like your… 

Mandy

I’ve been an amateur photographer since my dad gave me his camera from Vietnam. Which for any of you that have held those cameras, they’re so heavy compared to our iPhones. But so I was in photography class and then they did photo journalism in high school. So we were just always taking pictures of ourselves.

Jeremy

Oh, I remember those kids in high school. I was one of them for a little while, but I didn’t, I didn’t stay active. No, 

Mandy

We could have made out in the dark room like everybody else did. Oh, I missed out, Oh my God. So many people would bone in the dark room in high school. It was kind of phenomenal, not me. Cause I was like, even then I was like, you don’t shit where you eat. If I have, if I do something inappropriate in the dark room, I’m going to get kicked out. And then I can’t do my photos. Anyhow, a few years back after tried out a clothing, optional boutique hotel, as well as our local nudist park, I was ready to try out more nude vacation spots and Jeremy and I had decided to fly to LA rent a Barbie Jeep. So then we took the top off and did a road trip. 

Jeremy

That Jeep was amazing. Yeah, it was uh, I had to search to make sure I found a rental company that had access to the quick, um, yeah, whatever you call it. You pop the top really quick. Oh man. That was so good. So great too. And we packed really light. So we, we just took carry on. 

Mandy

Yeah. We just like threw the backpack in the back of the Jeep and hopped in and took the top down and rolling. Yep. 

Jeremy

It felt so elegant. Fun. You know, jet-setting 

Mandy

Not to be outdone done by the accidental Mustang we got the year before. Remember that? 

Jeremy

Oh my gosh. When we went down to Palm Springs and I rented a economy car and they’re like “we don’t have any economy cars. Do you mind taking this a convertible Mustang?”  No, no. I don’t mind at all. 

Mandy

I’m not going to lie. I had to take a few videos and send them to the kids. I was like, look, what we got…

Jeremy

Okay. So let’s talk about our road trip from LA to the Palm Springs desert area. 

Mandy

Well, first of all, it’s, it’s always fun to, don’t beat me up you kids down in LA. It’s actually fun for us people to fly to LA and drive to Palm Springs. Like, like y’all do, because I mean, here’s the thing, LA traffic is terrible and we know every time like we have to drive through LA traffic if we do this trip, but you know – you guys, it was like summer for six weeks here last year. We’re in Seattle, Washington. 

Jeremy

So actually the drive from LA to Palm Springs is a great way to help acclimate to the, 

Mandy

It’s like a vacation because we’re driving with the sun with the top-down. I mean, 

Jeremy

Yeah. And I know it sounds crazy because you can, you can fly direct to Palm Springs, 

Mandy

Which is also fun. It’s so cute because you, I don’t know if you remember, but you, when you fly into Palm Springs, they, you, you take the stairs down from the plane on the outside and you actually walk outside. Yeah. It’s neet-o. It’s kind of like going to Hawaii. 

Jeremy

We’ve actually flown into Palm Springs. We’ve flown into LA and we’ve flown into San Diego and ended up with, with a Palm Springs destination and all three airports in all three journeys are fun in their own, in their own way. I didn’t, hadn’t really put a lot of thought into the fact that journeying from your hotel, from the airport to your hotel or to your final destination, can be part of the fun. 

Mandy

Well, and here’s some other ways that we travel real quick because I feel like we’ve got this dialed in one. If we are flying into somewhere and driving to the first place, this fool goes to a weed store and gets me some of my lovely weed muddy buddies, because California has them. I haven’t found them up here. And it’s typically when we’ve flown in to Palm Springs or we’ve done another cities too, and we’re like, you know, taken an Uber to the hotel, but he’ll order groceries to be delivered. So like we will, Oh my God, this is what happens. When you have two project managers creating vacations, am I wrong? You make a spreadsheet and he’s got everything timed to be delivered by the time we get there. And I’m telling you, one year we went to Palm Springs for a week. I had Amazon deliver me a book because I had already read the one I had read, read by the pool. I was like, this is amazing to just like go to a hotel and park it there. 

Jeremy

Well then the nice thing about going somewhere and staying there for a few days is, is you, you can do things like set up your, your grocery delivery or Amazon delivery or whatever. And because we like whether we’re doing skinny dipper stuff and actually most of these vacations were, all these vacations were pre skinny dippers. We just like to go do photo shoots and stuff just because we like to play around. We like to play around. 

Mandy

I grew up in the dark room and we were one of those nerds in high school and we were sports nerds, but I was a cool sports nerd. You were like, he skied – I’ve got my little Lloyd Dobbler over here. 

Jeremy

Uh, okay. So essentially for Mandy, uh, weed delivery in California, they actually will deliver it to your hotel, grocery delivery. And because California’s liquor laws are such that they sell liquor in the grocery stores, you can do, um, a one-stop shopping with whatever account you want to use, Vons or Ralphs or whatever down in that area or whatever, wherever you’re going, find the grocery store in your area and get, get all that delivered. And then sometimes you don’t even have to rent a car. We like to rent cars sometimes when we’re down in the, in the desert, because it’s fun to drive around, out in the desert with top off. But, 

Mandy

Well, what’s really interesting about having this discussion right now is that we traveled this way before the pandemic. And this is how people are traveling now. Like you can’t go out to eat like you, you pretty much have to do a road trip, right? You have to. I mean, if you’re, if you’re being as cautious as we’re trying to be, you know, we did a road trip to, um, Marshall, Marshall beach, San Francisco over American or sorry, uh, Thanksgiving in the States last November, and we had a cooler the whole way. We like try to eat our own food. 

Jeremy

We stopped at grocery stores to picks up…

Mandy

And we had some delicious dim sum – friends on Instagram told us where to go eat. 

Jeremy

We had more dim on than we could keep down for $12. 

Mandy

Yeah. The other thing like nobody is taking vacations right now. And if they are, it’s a big deal. So, you know, I feel like you and I tried out so many things last year, whether it was hot Springs, hiking, beaches, what have you – and the weather played such an important part on what our experience was. And then, you know, the pandemic played a part in, I told him for this year, I don’t really want to go anywhere because I’m so tired of just being disappointed, like trying to go places. But the thing is one of the parts that is frustrating with traveling to nude places is they, aren’t always, um, what’s the word I’m looking for? Um, sorry. 

Dependable, dependable. They aren’t always dependable. You don’t, you don’t know if it’s going to be open because maybe it’s weather permitting. 

Jeremy

That’s reliable, reliable.

Mandy

But even Rooster Rock in Oregon, when we went down there, we went in, was it June? 

Jeremy

Yeah. The water hadn’t receded yet. 

Mandy

So we weren’t able to take advantage of any of the hiking that it offers. And we went to, we tried to go to Baker, Hot Springs in Washington last day of May. And we couldn’t get there because the road was snowed in. Yup. So as much as I love trying out all sorts of different shades of nudists activities, events, um, vacations, what have you? I really love that we’re talking about actually my favorite place, which is Tuscany Manor down in Palm Springs today because, um, I had such a good experience there. They’re totally dependable and I’ll get into all of that later, but it’s just like, you know, people aren’t able to take that many vacations. And so it’s really important that the ones that they do are reliable and dependable. And I, I, I feel like that’s a place that you can depend on it being, um, open inclusive, giving you a feeling of belonging, being open, openly, communicating about what’s happening, staying adhering to COVID role rules, which is super important. 

Jeremy

Yeah. You know from our first experience to our – we’ve been there like three times now. Yeah. So, each time go back, they are constantly doing things to make improvements for their clientele. 

https://willamettans.wildapricot.org/

Mandy

And I haven’t seen that anywhere else I’ve been. Yeah, no, no. The Williamettans, I’m always gonna hold a hand up for the Willamettans in Eugene. They’re always making improvements as well. And they also adhere to this. So honestly, when I talk about Tuscany Manor, I’m also pretty much talking about how the Willamettans runs their business. 

Jeremy

Yeah. They both do a great job and we’ve just enjoyed it. Each type of nudist place that you go to, whether it’s a hot spring or a nudist park or a nudist hike or nude camp or whatever, they’re all going to have a slightly different flavor. One of the things that I like about Tuscany Manor is that it can be a launching point for a bunch of different activities because you’re down in the desert. 

So Tuscany Manor used to be apartments. So each 

Mandy

It’s like a little Melrose place without the, without the gossip. Yeah. You don’t know what that means. 

Jeremy

I don’t know what that means. It used to be an apartment complex and it’s built in a, in a, like a rectangle. So all of the units have doors that face the courtyard and each unit, each unit is either a one bedroom or two bedroom, apartment style, clothing optional place to hang out. They’ve got a little patio in front of each place and each one has a fully equipped kitchen. Um, so, so yeah, you can, you can go down and I mean, certainly you can order take out or do whatever, but it’s really kinda nice to have a full refrigerator and access to a coffee maker. And just, I mean, even if you don’t want to prepare your own meals, you can, you can stock up on some snacks and stuff. We just have that handy. So it’s, uh, that’s one of the things that we love probably the most about it is you feel like you’re home. 

And once you walk into that courtyard, because it’s clothing optional you can come in and just wear a sarong or you can wear a caftan or you can wear a towel or you can wear nothing at all, whatever – they don’t care. And neither does anybody else. So, so if you are, if you’re a hardcore nudist, you want to go out and do all kinds of nudists activities, you can actually come back and make that your landing pad and go on nude hikes, because there’s places that are in national forest areas or national park areas. You can go hike, nude, there’s other, uh, nudist places down there. So, so you can, you can enjoy all sorts of new activities and use Tuscany Manor as your hub. 

Mandy

Can you, can you tell me really quick for the folks at home that are new to this? We did talk about this in another episode, you were talking about how BLM land is okay to hike on without clothing because it’s federal land. Is that correct? 

Jeremy

Yes. For hikers that want to try it out. 

You still need to check in on local laws because there are still some States, Counties and Cities that have really strict laws about being nude, even on federal lands. If it’s BLM land, that’s managed by a particular County, then there might be some laws, but there isn’t a federal law that prohibits or encourages nudity on state lands. So the law is silent. So you won’t get prosecuted for doing anything in the nude, as long as it’s not lewd, on federal land, except for those few cases where a local jurisdiction has the legal authority to enforce local laws.

You still need to check in on local laws because there are still some States, Counties and Cities that have really strict laws about being nude, even on federal lands. If it's BLM land, that's managed by a particular County, then there might be some laws, but there isn't a federal law that prohibits or encourages nudity on state lands. So the law is silent. So you won't get prosecuted for doing anything in the nude, as long as it's not lewd, on federal land, except for those few cases where a local jurisdiction has the legal authority to enforce local laws.
Jeremy
Skinny Dippers Club

 

Mandy

Thank you, Mr. Ferguson for that. An enlighteningly detailed response, the more, you know – I like having you around – you keep me out of trouble. So we chose what we decided to do on this road trip was we decided to, well, because now that I’m high and thinking about it, and you’ve got two project managers, so I’m project managing our vacation by thinking, all right, how do we make this equal? How do we all get what we want? So I decided we would, 

 

Jeremy

Well, let’s see. Because I wanted to go someplace and just be nude all the time I was, I was cool with just showing up somewhere and hanging out with a bunch of nude people. But, um, Mandy wasn’t quite there yet. And I, I could tell that she was like, yeah, I’m, I’m down for this trip. And I’m down for going without pants for the most part. But I mean, we’re actually, even today, she still does a lot of photo shoots with clothes on and I’m a little bit more…

 

Mandy

It just also makes it easier for social media. I mean, geez, I don’t want to lose my accounts. I like my friends. 

 

Jeremy

So anyway, we had, we had some conversation back and forth about what we wanted this vacation to be 

 

Mandy

That’s right. That’s how I was like, fine. I’ll go. In light of keeping everything equal, everybody has to get what they want right? 

 

Jeremy

I think we had eight overnights end each, uh, we stayed in like four different places, two nights each or something like that. 

 

Mandy

We were supposed to do four, but that’s another story for another time. Okay. Um, like literally stay tuned. So what we ended up doing was we decided on a place together that we wanted to try out. 

 

But that went awry, which is how we ended up at Tuscany manner. First we’re gonna talk about Tuscany Manor, which is a boutique clothing-optional 21 plus boutique nudist hotel in Palm Springs. 

 

Jeremy

It’s actually Palm Springs only 21 and up clothing-optional boutique hotel. I think I got that language. Right. I didn’t put it in the notes, but it’s something that they sent me as their tagline. 

 

Mandy

Well, I mean, since you’re using your newscaster voice, it must be true. So we chose a place together and then I chose –  I like architecture and home stuff. So I chose an Airbnb in Joshua tree because why wouldn’t I choose that? I love Joshua tree and now Jeremy does too. So he got to be introduced to Joshua tree because of me. And I have to say, I introduced you to Palm Springs by 

 

Jeremy

Yeah. I used to joke about going to the middle of the desert is like, why would I want to go to the middle of middle of the desert? It’s like scorpions and rattlesnakes and. And, uh, we, when we first went to Palm Springs, it was at a dumpy motel 60 thing. Cause I really wasn’t into it and had a blast. 

 

Mandy

You just admitted to me that we stayed at that terrible hotel because you didn’t want to be there, 

 

Jeremy

Yep

 

Mandy

But we did have the pool to ourselves, which is super weird. It totally, 

 

Jeremy

Yeah. It totally worked out. But, and since then we have been back a bunch of times because it’s, it’s a quick trip from Seattle. Sometimes you can get flights for like 59 bucks on Alaska airlines. So it helps 

 

Mandy

And Alaska adheres by COVID stuff. So they are still separating folks on flights 

 

Jeremy

And masks and standardization. Yeah. They do a really good job. 

 

Mandy

So yeah. Anyhow, I picked an Airbnb in Joshua tree called Mojave Rosa and Jeremy picked a swingers resort. Tell me about that, JerBear. Yeah.

Mojave Rosa // Joshua Tree Air BnB

Jeremy

Let’s talk about the Airbnb – I, yeah. I, I, I don’t know. Sometimes I look at Airbnbs and I get frustrated because of the way that their pricing system and stuff is. And I was looking at that and I was like, it doesn’t look like a place where we can really hang out nude because it’s, it, it kind of looked like it was just out there in the middle of where all your neighbors and stuff could, could see. It’s on two and a half acres, but all of the other parcels were like two to five acres. So, but when we got down there, I loved it because you go walk around the house and be, 

 

Mandy

Well, the outlay of the house was just fantastic. 

 

Jeremy

The layout. Yeah. A fantastic layout. It was a well appointed home. So everything down to this stereo system and outdoor shower, 

 

Mandy

I, of course, immediately came home and I was like, we’re building me one of those. 

 

Jeremy

Yeah. So yes, I, I had to tell you the curiosity, uh, got the best of me. I, uh, Mandy and I are not swingers. We are not swingers, but I had seen, uh, 

 

Mandy

And not exhibitionists either, which is something that I’ve, I’ve found is a thing. Yeah. I didn’t know that then, but people, some, some people that are nudists are considered exhibitionists, which is okay. 

 

Jeremy

Exhibitionist for people who just like, it doesn’t matter where they go, they just like to be seen naked or in some various state of nude. So, so we, we really wanted what I, what I realized actually today is that this was actually an early part of our naturism scouting journey that we were trying to do. 

 

Mandy

We were trying to figure out okay, from A to Z, what are all the letters in between? 

 

Jeremy

Yeah. What is this whole social nudity thing about and what is it that attracts people to it? So I think that was actually subconsciously part of what was driving the outline of the trip. 

 

Mandy

Well, and we’re curious people by nature and from what I’ve read about Aquarius’s (me) is that we’d like to everything once. And no, I did not want to have a threesome in public or in private or share my husband or any of those things. But I’m curious as to what happens at a swingers resort. Aren’t you?

We're curious people by nature and from what I've read about Aquarius's (me) is that we'd like to try everything once. And no, I did not want to have a threesome in public or in private or share my husband or any of those things. But I'm curious as to what happens at a swingers resort. Aren't you?
Mandy Zelinka
Skinny Dippers Club

Sea Mountain Inn

I want my backyard to be like the swingers resort hotel backyard, you guys, it was that good.
Mandy Zelinka
Skinny Dippers Club

Jeremy

Well, we went and, uh, I have to tell you that it was amazing. It was a refreshing experience. 

 

Mandy

Fantastic. Yeah. Um, I would go back. Wait – I wouldn’t go back. It was, Oh my God. Insanely expensive. I know I would not go back, but I’ll get to why I said that to begin with in a minute. 

 

Jeremy

Uh, it was, it was a really cool experience. Um, we went in and there were a really friendly people. The place was clean. It looked like a tropical… 

 

Mandy

We walk in off the street, it’s in Palm Desert. Yeah. And this just like, sorry, this is kind of dirty looking area, but to describe the desert, a lot of places in the desert look dirty because it’s the desert. Okay. So it could have just been that simple. It’s just like dust storms and brown and yeah, I’m trying to paint a picture. So when we get buzzed in you, you walk into this Oasis. 

 

Jeremy

If you’ve ever been to Disneyland, it’s kind of like when you go.

If you've ever been to Disneyland, it's kind of like when you go...
Jeremy
Skinny Dippers Club

Mandy

Only, you would bring Disneyland into this. Timothy is going to crack up, tell the story, whatever it is. 

 

Jeremy

Well, it’s kind of like when you’re just, you’re wandering through Disneyland and then you get to, uh, I think of adventureland and you go into the jungle cruise and it’s like, Oh wow. I just entered a different world. 

 

Yeah. And then all of a sudden the landscape is completely different. 

 

Mandy

Yes. Honestly, you guys, what I, if I could describe what that place looks like, it looks like this house in Malta that I kept coming back to. We were looking at real estate in Malta at one point, um, which after watching the crown, it’s interesting, seeing more about Malta, but there was this house in Malta that I wanted so bad. And it was this just jungle Oasis with this like little house on it- it had shutters. And that’s what that backyard felt like to me. It was like the perfect backyard. I want my backyard to be like the swingers resort hotel backyard, you guys, it was that good. 

 

Jeremy

It was more like a courtyard. It’s like a really big courtyard 

 

Mandy

But check this out. So we walk into the place where you check in and I look to the left and I about died. It’s an entire wall of movie stars who have stayed there, including, but not limited to Matthew McConaughey and Cardi B. 


And I was like, “Oh, I’m about to stay where all these people that are rock stars have stayed. That makes me a rock star.” We partied like rock stars. Yeah. But okay. To be honest, it was weird because there was like plastic covering the mattress on the bed. Like that was no, that was not cool. That was actually rather foul, but, was it weird? Yeah. I’m like, what the? Like, people are just going to start boning next to me or??

Hedonism

I heard about Hedonism when I was a young hairstylist because my fellow hairstylists would go down there. Hairstylists are always down to do naughty stuff. And so I've always been intrigued by Hedonism because I've known what it was for a really long time. I was intrigued.
Mandy Zelinka
Skinny Dippers Club

I’m going to talk about Hedonism for a minute. 

 

I’m getting a little off the subject, but not totally. Okay. I heard about Hedonism when I was a young hairstylist because my fellow hairstylists would go down there because hairstylists are always down to do naughty stuff. And so I’ve always been intrigued by Hedonism because I’ve known what it was for a really long time. I was intrigued. I’m a curious gal. So when we got into this Skinny Dipper thing, the first thing I, I looked back at Hedonism, cause I was like, okay, if I’m looking at all the shades of what being a nudist is, I’m pretty sure that’s probably close to the *whatever* shade of the spectrum. 

 

Jeremy

It’s on one end. 

 

Mandy

Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for finishing that thought for me 

 

Jeremy

Kind of the opposite side of being a, of naturism. 

 

Mandy

Yeah. Yeah. So I started researching and finding all these videos and every video I found anyone that had ever gone to Hedonism said they had a fantastic time. And 50% of those videos that I watched, Jeremy, were single women or women in a monogamous relationship, gay or straight, who wanted to go try it out because they were curious. They’re like me, right. I’m just, I’m in a committed relationship, but I’m curious as hell about how this works. And they all had good things to say, and I get it because when you go to these places that are engaging in that type of behavior, they have very clear consent rules. 

 

Jeremy

I actually wish I had pulled up the article. There was an article that I remember you and I read about a woman who went there and she was in a monogamous relationship. And she had enough trust in her relationship to go down and visit with a friend who was not in a monogamous relationship because she was wanting to go check it out. And, uh, she had a great time. And, and I remember her saying in her video and a little bit more in detail in the article that she wrote that the people down there, they understood the…um, she didn’t mind getting offers because she’d say no. And, and that was the end of the story because the rules and guidelines are clearly laid out in the beginning. People know what they’re getting into. They know how to act and what to do. And I would imagine that if you enjoy that spot, you don’t want to get on their no fly list. Or there are no attendance lists.

 

Mandy

I have seen via Instagram. I have seen, I think it was the Black Naturists, I believe had a event down at Hedonism and they had these great consent bracelets – they weren’t consent bracelets, but they were fantastic. It was, you got, there was three different colors. And whether you’d been, I’m going to let Jeremy explain, he keeps looking at me, like, let me take over. Let me take over the wheel. 











Jeremy

So at the Williamettans, it’s a nudist park and you have to attend three times before you get kind of the next level. So you can come and go and get a password to go through the gate. So, the first time you visit, you get a red wristband that says, Hey, I’m a first-time visitor. And what that does is it 

 

Members and other visitors kind of keep an eye on those first time visitors and see if they fit in and be welcoming. Yeah. Yep. And then the second time you go, you get a yellow wristband. Although we wore ours on our ankles that worked just as well. And then the third time you go, it’s a, it’s a green band. So it’s just, it’s just a way to indicate that folks are new and they may ask questions or you as a member, you may want to ask them questions or engage with them. 

 

Mandy

Okay. It was awesome. Not only did it make us feel super welcome and welcomed and safe and all the things like, “Oh, somebody cares about me” that matters when you’re running around naked – that you feel safe, that someone might actually do something if something happened. But, we ended up making more friends because people were friendlier because they realized, you know, Oh, these are newbs. And so we actually solidified like legit friendships when we were down there because people ended up talking to you more. It’s a great communication starter. 

 

Jeremy

I think I’m going to wear a red wristband. Next time I go down there just to get attention 

 

Mandy

Always trying to circumvent the rules. 

 

Jeremy

No, no, you’ve never seen me here before. Um, so Mandy wanted me to explain what the lifestyle was because we talked about swingers and basically, uh, it’s interesting. Um, because we had heard the term a few times and I’d done some research, um, LA weekly, several years ago, did a, uh, um, an article about 

 

Mandy

Interrupt you really quick. Yeah. Some people say “lifestyle” they’re in the lifestyle and it’s nudism or naturism or, you know, whatever. So is this how this lifestyle is talked about in the States is talked about as a lifestyle? Or do you think this is a global word for swinging? 

 

Jeremy

I really – that’s actually one of the reasons why I pause when I talk about our lifestyle, because I don’t ever want people to confuse us as naturists as being in the swinging lifestyle. And, and fortunately, or unfortunately, the swingers took the, the term lifestyle or LS or upside down pineapple, which I never got the upside down pineapple, but I guess before the internet, people used to go to the grocery stores and they’d go to the produce section and they’d get into pineapple and they’d turn it upside down and put it in their shopping cart. And that’s how they would cruise for other couples. 

 

Mandy

I had no idea. Smart.

I need a moment for that story. You’ve never told me that before. 

 

Jeremy

Oh, I, because I just read about it like two nights ago, so 

 

Mandy

That’s fascinating. Yeah. 

 

Jeremy

So anyway, it was, it was interesting to do a little bit of research on that because traditionally pineapples have been seen as a sign of prosperity and wealth. And when you go down to like New Orleans or any of the Caribbean areas, you’ll see pineapples and all kinds of things. 

 

Mandy

I feel like I did a visit to the Dole plantation when I was in Hawaii.

 

Jeremy

Yeah. I went when Kenny Rogers was doing something with, with Dole pineapples anyway off that’s another tangent. I just remember seeing a life-size cutout of Kenny Rogers. 

 

Mandy

So random dude, 

 

Jeremy

You gotta know when to fold them anyway. Oh 

 

Mandy

No, no, no, no, no, no. Sorry, go ahead. 

 

Jeremy

So I’m gonna boil this right down. Um, so a lot of times folks use the word “lifestyle” and that refers to swinging. And we have discovered that there is a huge spectrum of people who like to run around naked. And sometimes, 

 

Mandy

Sometimes you can actually be a naturist and swinger. I have seen them on Instagram. 

 

Jeremy

Yes. And sometimes, and there’s a lot of different terms and labels out there. And you, you can be a naturist who is also a nudist. Sometimes you can be into exhibitionism. There are people that are into sex positive culture. There are people who are not into sex, positive culture. So basically all I’m saying is, is that there is a wide variety of people who like to hang out nude.



The social nudity experiences are on a spectrum. And that’s one of the reasons why we chose the name, Skinny Dippers Club. Skinny Dippers Club has really been something that we’ve worked on together. I, it was funny. I had an idea of what I wanted Skinny Dippers Club to be. And Mandy had a different idea and we, she started building the website. I wasn’t even looking at it. And it, 

 

Mandy

I had no job, I had nothing to do. I got laid off and had nothing but time on my hands and couldn’t leave the house. So that and ADHD, yeah. 

 

Jeremy

She kept saying, Oh, the website’s almost ready. It’s almost ready. And she wouldn’t show it to me. And then she finally showed it to me. I was like, wow, this is nothing at all like what I thought it was going to be, but it has been evolving to exactly what we,  and you have wanted it to be. So it turned out way better than I had ever imagined. Um, but back to the name. So I remember being a kid and thinking how fun it was to go Skinny Dipping, because it felt fun and a little naughty, but you didn’t do anything wrong when you were Skinny Dipping. The only thing that you were doing “wrong” is that you jumped into the Lake without clothes on 

 

Mandy

It only felt naughty because you’re disrupting the status quo and disrupting the status quo always feels a little naughty to me because I don’t know. Maybe it’s because I got in trouble as a kid when I would try to do it. So I think the point we’re getting to is that there’s so many shades of nudism, naturism that we really wanted to have our community, not have any word associated with any of them, because we’re all of them, you know, I don’t care how you practice being nude as long as you are respectful to others within the community. That that’s really all it comes down to. And I, again, I, it’s one of the reasons I love Tuscany manner. They are clothing optional. They’re open to all shades of nudism. They have a great community of people to hang out with when you go down there. When we first went there and it was again, some of my first times with nudist places, we were asked if we were in the lifestyle and we’re like, no. And he’s like, “Okay, well just, you know, a couple of the people, a couple people here are in the lifestyle.” And I just thought that was the most respectful way of letting you know, like if you’re into it, it’s here. If you’re not cool, like that was awesome. 

 

Jeremy

I agree. Sorry. I got down a tangent where I was looking up a Venn diagram because I realized that – you take these different circles of who you are and how it overlaps. And then right in the middle of her skinny dippers. 

 

Mandy

You’re absolutely correct. Yeah. 

 

Jeremy

So sorry about that. I lost my lost my place. 

 

Mandy

So after he asked us that then Kathy showed us around, I love her. She is so nice and welcoming. And again, back to that respect thing, um, it was a completely different experience than what I’ve had at nudist parks in the States. I, and I think her partner takes care of the grounds and he’s awesome too. 

 

Jeremy

Yeah, no, I saw, yeah, both of them hanging out together and, and he’s always doing stuff around the grounds. 

 

Mandy

Yeah. Super nice. And it it’s, he’s, he’s always wearing clothes, so it’s cool. Cause I am like, you know, 

 

Jeremy

Usually the folks that work there, they were clothes and that’s actually one of the nice things. One of the things that I like about it is that you can say, Oh, I need to go to one of those people there because they are, they’re wearing something that, that gives the appearance that they work there. 

 

Mandy

Well, and for me, the first time I went to one of those places and the people working there weren’t wearing any clothes. And it was my very first time. And I was like shocked. And I was in shock because I hadn’t, hadn’t experienced that before. And you, don’t always – we’ve actually learned from living at a nudist park and seeing how people bring their mates in at the front desk. You can’t be shocking mates like that. A lot of people that recreate nude will bring a partner with them that hasn’t necessarily done it before. And you can’t just walk them into straight up nudity. Bam! It scares us.

 

Jeremy

Having some recent conversations with people and, um, I watched something on video the other day or yesterday that it just really reminded me how you need to treat people who are, are new to naturism or being socially nude. Um, just be nice and, and guide them along the way, rather than being 

 

Mandy

Bracelet. Give them a bracelet. 

 

Yeah. So Tuscany Manor, a lot of what I based Skinny Dippers Club off of, because of my experience with this welcoming opening community there, and I wanted to have a community that was welcoming to all shades of nude, whether that’s the color of your skin, your gender, or your, the choice of how you spend your time naked. A few weeks back, I wrote down the three key elements of any relationship. And I actually think it applies here. I wanted to drill down the three things that make my marriage work, a business work. And now that I think of it kind of any relationship work now that we’re talking about, you know, what has been making these places successful that we’ve been to and that’s mutual respect, a shared passion and over communication.

 

Jeremy

Yeah. But I, I still can’t help myself because when I look at an email communication that’s done really well. Oftentimes I’ll, I’ll read it and say, Oh my gosh, we need to say this phrase or use this word or structure our communication in this way. And I will send that email to Mandy and say, Hey, look what they’re doing. We should be doing something similar. And I think that’s what has really helped bring people into our community because they know that we’re not out there trying to crush the competition. We’re out there just helping build community. 

 

Mandy

Well, our members only email, it comes out every Wednesday and for everyone else that comes out every Friday, we over-communicate on our shared passion with mutual respect, haha

 

Jeremy

But we’re here to build each other up, not tear each other down. And that, I think that’s why when we, when we find the good parts of the places that we really like, we try to embody that within our community. 

 

Mandy

Yeah. Well, and I, you know, I always think that building a brand is, you know, it’s a recipe. So you have the recipe that you started with, you know, maybe you’re making a sauce, whatever, and you pull parts from all of these other brand values that speak to you and things that they’re doing that you think are great. I mean, one of my, my beacons is Wildfang. What is Wildfang? The clothing brand, yes. For a nudist, I’m saying go follow Wildfang because their brand values are spot on. So it’s always like they’re doing the right thing. So what is it that they’re doing to get it out to you? They’re good people and they’re doing the right thing. Like you’re picking up on those things and you, you want to incorporate that into your brand. And that’s why we’re going to have the best nude vacation spot ever. 

 

Jeremy

Okay. I really liked that you started this with a cooking reference. Cause one of the things that we started hobbying with during the pandemic was cooking and Mandy skills have gone off the chart. Incredible. But she used to do everything, but she used to do everything strictly by the recipe. And once we started playing with the recipes and she started understanding the fundamentals of cooking, she was able to make recipes her own. And I feel like we’re making our own recipe in the Skinny Dippers Club by continuing to take little spices and samples from different people and putting things together and adding the right ingredients to the mix. Then some of those ingredients might be you. 

 

Mandy

Yeah. And it’s also working doc. Like, I really like how you explained, how was it? You said that the Declaration of Independence should really be a working Google doc. 

 

Jeremy

Yeah. It should start out with the original intent, uh, to separate from, from, from England, but then along the way we should, yeah. We should have been modifying from that and changing our language so that it keeps up with the times.

 

Back to over communication. Yeah. 

 

Mandy

So mutual respect, a shared passion and over communication, I believe are the three things that make a relationship work. And in this space, you know, the nudist space, naturist space, Skinny Dippers Space, where vulnerable people who make themselves even more vulnerable by being naked, all of those elements are what also makes up consent and consent over your body. Especially for us folks that run around naked –  women, people of color, those of varied genders. We don’t always have a safe place in the world. And I think it’s important to patronize those spaces that do, which is why Tuscany manner will always, always gets my money. There were black folks, which was awesome to see. There was a young folks. We picked grapefruit off the trees. They made margaritas all week and 

 

Jeremy

I mean, it was like, it was the full spectrum. It was great. 

 

There are people from different countries too. Cause remember we met that couple from, from Canada and he was also in the same industry as me. 

 

Mandy

Conversations in the hot tub are always fun. 

 

But here’s the other thing you guys – nude to vacations are typically way cheaper because nude places are cheaper. You tend to eat less when you’re running around half naked, you pack less because you’re running around half naked and you do less laundry when you get home and you drink tequila by the pool all day and read a book or socialize with other rad individuals. It’s like, it’s a no brainer, 

 

Jeremy

No joke. Um, so we were talking about, uh, events and activities and consent and knowing the rules upfront and bracelets and bracelets. Yeah. And this, this concept is something that’s actually been applied in a variety of scenarios. I actually got into a non landed, nudist club here in the Puget sound area. And that group was really well organized in my opinion. We would do events and go check out beaches. We’d go to different people’s homes and do pool parties. What was unique about it is most everybody in the group was a gay or BI man. And there are several organizations specifically for different demographics. And it’s all about what you’re interested in doing when you get into this, um, realm of social nudism. But one of the things that I really liked, there was a particular event that I went to. 

 

It was a nude camping trip for men. And it was a mix of gay BI and heterosexual men. And at the very beginning of the camping trip, the leader of the group sat down and covered all the rules and guidelines for the whole weekend. Like, you know, if you guys, if, if you’re here with a partner or you’re here and you find somebody else attractive and you guys think you want to go, you know, be, be engaged in public display of affection, the place for that place to that activity is over there. But in this area, this is a safe space. That’s a non-sexual nudity, nudist area. It was a little bit more, more of a modest area. So, they laid out the groundwork from the get go. And that made me feel so comfortable. So accepted. And 

 

Mandy

You were there with a safe friend, helped explain the rules to you and navigate the entire situation. Yeah. 

 

Jeremy

And actually I was there with a couple of friends. So it was really, really a comfortable experience. And in fact, at one point I remember I was laying out a picnic blanket and it was a sunny weekend. I fell asleep, buck naked in front of a whole bunch of people. And when I woke up, it was just as if I’d taken a nap on my front lawn and nobody really cared that I was laying there naked, taking a nap. It was just the greatest experience ever. 

 

Mandy

I was able to trust you at an event like that. And you were able to trust me enough to tell me everything that went on at that event. I felt safer with you there than I ever felt with my ex-husband as a baseball coach with baseball moms around him, that’s insane. Or is it? 

 

Jeremy

Well, I, and that’s the thing is – that sounds insane to the non a naturist, a non-social nudist 

 

 

Mandy

I know I’ve always gotten that. I was voted most of you unique in High School. I’ve always had people be like, “are you sure Mandy?”  This isn’t new behavior for me, which brings me to, I think the most interesting part of this whole entire episode, isn’t the safest that you have felt within the nude community is – am I going to say this right? –  at a gay swingers event in the woods? Okay. Let me first start by saying when he told me the story of what happened there, that’s how I pictured it. How would you describe it?

 

Jeremy

I guess I would describe it as a, yeah. That’s not incorrect.

 

I hadn’t put a label on it. So it hadn’t really well, you know,

 

Mandy

I gotta be Rachel Maddow. I gotta break it down for the folks at home who are like, come on. What are you guys talking about here? 

 

Jeremy

Yeah. I hadn’t thought about it. So I think they, they call, I think 

 

Mandy

Because the label makes it sound dirty. 

 

Jeremy

Again, it was kind of like going to, to your favorite amusement park, if you don’t like to ride on the roller coasters, don’t ride ‘em. 

 

Mandy

It sounded like an adult camping experience. So that’s the safest you’ve ever felt within this, you know, realm of nudism in the States and the safest I felt was any swingers hotel – I paid for that though. You guys, I got to tell you that place was not cheap. Oh my God. That’s partly why I was like, I died when he wanted to go there. But you know what? We also did something a few years ago that was out of our budget, but I pushed Jeremy to do it because I was like, sometimes you just have to do the thing – because especially with this pandemic, we may die tomorrow. Yes. I need to save for retirement and be responsible, but we legit could die tomorrow. So

The Burton House // Palm Springs Air BnB​

Jeremy

I didn’t know how you were going to set this up. Are you going to tell like any of the backstory behind why we chose this house or why you chose this house? So Mandy was working on her business. So she was trying to accomplish, I feel like we’re were you or you and I were trying to accomplish two things. One was to get some great photos for your business. And we had just gotten married. And so we hadn’t told anyone. So we secretly part of, of her business was getting these great photos and we’d hired a photographer 

 

Mandy

Lindy West’s photographer. Don’t forget that part. I read Shrill. And I, then I went to her website and saw her photos. And I was like, I want her photographer to photograph me. 

 

Jeremy

We flew a photographer down to do a shoot for her business and also do some wedding photos. So, so this fantastic mid-century modern house had a private backyard and a pool. 

 

Everything goes back to Instagram. 

 

Mandy

It does. It really does. It was all about the Instagrams 

 

Okay. This is back to goals. Okay. So I have to, I have to tell a story. My financial advisor, I think I already told this story in another episode. My, a financial advisor when I was a very young girl told me that you had to reward yourself at every goal that you hit. And she had tons of Louis Vuitton handbags and a French Chateau. So I was like, I think this woman knows what she’s talking about. So we go, I finally convinced this dude to go to Palm Springs. He puts us up in a hotel and I’m, I’m doing my Instagram thing. So I’m just like checking in at places. And this place called the Burton house liked one of my photos, which caused me to go look at their house. And I was like, that house is spectacular. I need to be in it. And so I started following them and that became a goal. My goal was to do all of this. And so fast forward to Jeremy being like “that’s an insanely expensive idea” to we’re at The Burton House. 

 

Jeremy

Yes. So what are some of the things you liked? So It would actually be kinda cool to just both talk a little bit about the things that we liked about the Burton house and how that was kind of our gateway drug to being that was actually kind of our 

 

Mandy

First nudists trip that we didn’t really realize it was. Cause we just kind of like looked at each other and we’re like, yeah, we could run around naked. We have this whole place to ourself. And then of course that evolved into, well, why wouldn’t we take nude photos of each other we’re running around naked. Why not? And it was interesting. Cause I remember coming back from that trip – because I had shared some of the photos on like Facebook or something. And I remember people were like, man, you are brave to run around in a bikini and take photos. And I was like, why is that brave? And I was like, Oh, that is brave to some people. And then like, I, this light bulb went off in my head. 

 

It was like walking into your dream vacation house. Like that house that you’re always looking at. Like when I have enough money,  I’m going to vacation there. And that was like the only trip we took that year because we spent all our money on that trip. But like now it really messes with your mind. Cause now I’m like, I can attain that goal. That is the goal I want to keep going towards. Cause I got to stay in that house. And now I want to own that house. I mean, I don’t actually want to own that house, but it was great. 

 

Jeremy

And we took pictures of each other and we still use those photos today because they are just, some of them were actually kind of iconic 

 

Mandy

It just had all the things – like you could run around naked. It was secluded in the back by, um, the way that their landscaping is you get to see Palm trees while you’re laying in the pool. I think the pool is heated too. Right?  Hot tubs. It’s super Instagrammable for those of you that are also Instagrammers, it had a gas fire pit. That was awesome. It rained one day that we were there. It was great. The master bedroom’s amazing. Um, the kitchen is really well set up to entertain yourself, the fireplace. I mean, it’s just, it’s great. And you can have three different couples stay in there. 



So this road trip that we took a few years ago that we need to get back to. Oh, I forgot one more thing about the Burton house, Palm Springs, go follow them on Instagram. They also have LGBTQ owners. Um, and it’s a bit more private than Mojave Rosa, which is why I wanted to mention them. But then the other place we stayed in Joshua tree that we love that had the cute house was my Mojave Rosa air BNB. And then the final destination. Should you want to go stay where Cardi B also stayed is the Sea Mountain Inn Palm desert. Is there anything else that we’ve missed about any of our vacation Jer bear? 

 

Jeremy

Um, I can’t think of anything that we missed, but I think maybe we can talk a little bit about why, why nude vacation. 

 

Mandy

I think that’s a great question because, 

 

Jeremy

Because again, if you’re in the textile world or if you’re not, yeah. Why would I do that? I also didn’t think that that would be something that, that was a thing. In fact, when we first started toying with the idea of being socially nude, I know Mandy and I joked about having nude friends and specifically she said, I can’t ever imagine having nude friends. 

 

Mandy

Now most of my friends are nude friends.

 

Jeremy

But if you have a partner that you want to introduce to naturism, starting out with a nude friendly, Airbnb is actually a great way to go because you can, you can. 

 

Mandy

I think you need to back up to the nude vacations thing. Why new vacations? Well, I feel like by default nude vacations make you slow down more because like when you take your clothes off, you slow way down. 

 

Jeremy

You know, that’s interesting because many people like Mandy, um, need to work from their phone or their computer almost all the time. And we’re in the digital world. So even when I go on vacation, I usually have to have, 

 

Mandy

I met millennial gen X-er, 

 

Jeremy

But I have to stay in contact with my work almost all the time because the nature of work that I do. So, but when you strip down nude, you really pay more attention to how much time you spend on electronic devices. You, 

 

Mandy

You pay more attention to the breeze as it hits your skin. I’m telling you, I feel like that is why I slow down. I’m talking, I’m visualizing a pool right now because I’m visualizing Tuscany Manor. So I think that mine is in particular to being around the pool without clothes on – why you would want to take a nude vacation that way, because feeling that air against your skin while you’re laying in a chair by the pool slows me down so much. 

 

Jeremy

I’ve never seen her read so many books when we go on there. 

 

Mandy

And that’s my favorite. I never have time to read. I have 10 books on my shelf right now. I’m reading three – one because I need it for a podcast. But I just don’t. I know I could make the time, but I mean, anyhow, this is why I need to go on vacations and slow down. Right. Jeremy Ferguson. That’s right. I, you know, you said earlier that you didn’t realize it at the time because you know, we just really wanted to go on a nude vacation, but that it, this vacation style that we did really helped you understand the spectrum of nudism. 

 

Jeremy

Yeah. Because we, we checked out everything from kind of a more rustic setting all the way to, um, kinda high end and everything in between. So it was, it was really kind of, it was, and not just the quality of the, of the amenities, but also the, the type. So we had a place by ourselves. We had a place that was, um, very LGBTQ friendly and clothing optional. And then we also had the little bit more extreme Cardi B um, 

 

Mandy

Freak Fest. No kidding. It was not a freak fast. The other surprising thing, although we didn’t go on a weekend, we’re going to have to go to Hedonism on a weekend. That’s what we’re going to need to do. We got more recon to do. Curiosity is getting to me. 

 

Jeremy

So you didn’t want to go to the swinger’s place and I didn’t want to go to the Airbnb, but we, uh, we, we both did what each other wanted to do and ended up having a great experience. 

 

Mandy

You know, it’s when you, when you can have an open mind and experience –  things that you wouldn’t normally, it takes feeling safe and secure where you’re going to be able to be open-minded to try new things, I think is what I would take away from this entire episode. 



I know that Tuscany Manorr is safe. I knew that an Airbnb by myself was going to be safe. I had no clue what to expect at the swingers resort and it scared the shit out of me. I’ll be honest, but also like if you’re not doing something every now and then it scares the out of you, you’re not busy living. You’re busy dying. Right. 

 

Jeremy

Well, and I also want to be clear that Mandy’s not trying to plug swinger resorts. I mean, that was just our experience. 

 

Mandy

I’m trying to plug being open to new things and being curious when you want to be curious, whether it’s, you know, “Hey, I want to dip my toes in the nude to hiking” or “I want to go to Hedonism” do it with a friend that you trust. Jeremy was able to start out this whole journey with a friend that he trusted, that he met in a Facebook group. He got in a Facebook group of people that he thought was safe. And I’m not surprised that it ended up being a gay group because he felt safe with gay men. And he was able to meet for coffee. They like sussed each other out. And then they became friends and frolicked at nude events all over town. 

 

I have been able to try out nude places with Jeremy, somebody that I trust someone who has my back, someone who knows even more about these places because of his experience with his friend, where he went to gay events and got to see all shades of the spectrum. So will every person who engages in nude experiences in the States have this wide arrange of experience to draw from when you would go to a place, probably not, but go with someone who at least understands the pitfalls and what to look for and what is a safe place so that you too could have a really good safe experience within this entire, um, lifestyle. 

 

Jeremy

If he can’t find anybody, send me a plane ticket, I’ll go with you. 

 

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Mandy

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